{"id":19385,"date":"2025-03-12T03:00:51","date_gmt":"2025-03-12T08:00:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/?p=19385"},"modified":"2025-03-26T12:47:06","modified_gmt":"2025-03-26T17:47:06","slug":"season-26-episode-2-minding-the-gap-moving-beyond-dualism-to-oneness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/2025\/03\/season-26-episode-2-minding-the-gap-moving-beyond-dualism-to-oneness\/","title":{"rendered":"Season 26: Episode 2 | Minding the Gap: Moving Beyond Dualism to Oneness"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, Ruth and special guest Reverend Dr. Prince Rivers discuss the second chapter of Selina Stone\u2019s book, Tarry Awhile. Prince shares personal stories from his life and ministry. He explores his experience of \u201ctwo-ness\u201d as a child, straddling two different worlds and identities. Prince also sheds light on the profound impact of communal worship, the importance of acknowledging embodied experiences in faith, and how these practices serve as a source of dignity and healing for marginalized communities. The conversation highlights the synergy between pastor, musicians, and congregation in creating transformative worship experiences, emphasizing the importance of being attuned to the Spirit as a part of the practice of tarrying.<\/p>\n<p>We are journeying through Lent with a podcast season entitled \u201cTarry with Me Awhile: Learnings from the Black Church.\u201d We will use Dr. Selina Stone\u2019s book, <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/41LVhIB\">Tarry Awhile: Wisdom from Black Spirituality for People of Faith<\/a>, as a guide. Black spirituality has much to offer us in understanding the practice of tarrying as a Lenten practice. Together we will seek a deeper understanding of waiting on God in the liminal space\u2014where the resurrection feels far off, and our deaths and suffering are present.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-19390\" src=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"Reverend Prince Raney Rivers\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-400x400.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-24x24.jpeg 24w, https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-48x48.jpeg 48w, https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/PRR-Headshot-2025-Prince-96x96.jpeg 96w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/>Reverend Prince Raney Rivers <\/strong>(TC8) is the Senior Pastor of Union Baptist Church in Durham, NC. Prior to this appointment, he served for twelve years as Senior Pastor of United Metropolitan Missionary Baptist Church in Winston-Salem. Rev. Rivers received a Bachelor\u2019s degree in Psychology from Morehouse College and a Master of Divinity degree from Duke University Divinity School. He has earned a Doctor of Philosophy in Leadership Studies from North Carolina A&amp;T University. He also completed the Harvard Divinity School Summer Leadership Institute and was a fellow of the Pastor-Theologian Program at Princeton Theological Seminary. Rev. Rivers and his wife, Dr. Monica Corbitt Rivers, have two wonderful children.<\/p>\n<p>Music this season is provided by <strong>Julian Davis Reed<\/strong>. Julian Davis Reid (TC20) is an artist-theologian from Chicago who uses sound and word to offer hope to the searching, presence to the sorrowful, and rest to the weary. A pianist, composer, and producer, his projects featured on this podcast are the two solo piano records <a href=\"https:\/\/distrokid.com\/hyperfollow\/juliandavisreid\/rest-assured\"><em>Rest Assured<\/em><\/a><em> (2021)<\/em> and <a href=\"https:\/\/distrokid.com\/hyperfollow\/juliandavisreid\/beside-still-waters-a-notes-of-rest-offering\"><em>Beside Still Waters<\/em><\/a><em> (2024) <\/em>and his single Moan (Matthew 2:18) featuring Tramaine Parker, released on Inauguration Day 2025 on the project <a href=\"https:\/\/distrokid.com\/hyperfollow\/juliandavisreid\/when-souls-cry-out\"><em>When Souls Cry Out<\/em><\/a>. Julian steadily releases music under his own name and with his group, The JuJu Exchange. You can learn more about his work at <a href=\"http:\/\/juliandavisreid.com\/\">juliandavisreid.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n<hr style=\"clear: both;\" \/>\n<p><a class=\"button\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/strengthening-soul-your-leadership-ruth-haley-barton\/id1214483830\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>You can also access podcast on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/ruth-haley-barton\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership?refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stitcher<\/a>\u00a0and <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/41tz8kmZTi7wyYakvWUKZz\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"S26 Ep 2 | Minding the Gap: Moving Beyond Dualism to Oneness\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=jay36-1834825-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=7\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"button outline\" href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership-podcast\/season-twenty-six\/\">Listen to other episodes from Season 26<\/a> <a class=\"button-secondary outline\" href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership-podcast\/\">Access past podcast seasons<\/a><\/p>\n<hr style=\"clear: both;\" \/>\n<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/41LVhIB\">Tarry Awhile: Wisdom from Black Spirituality for People of Faith<\/a> by Dr. Selina Stone<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Music Credit:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist<\/li>\n<li>I Fear No Evil by Julian Davis Reid<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr style=\"clear: both;\" \/>\n<p>Are you interested in learning more about<em> Haven,<\/em> our <strong>newest community offering<\/strong> from the Transforming Center? Haven is a community that meets alternately online and in person to create space for leaders to forge a stronger connection between their souls and their leadership. Each gathering (online and in-person) offers spiritual practices that increasingly open us to God over time. This new 18-month community experience will provide more intentional opportunities to engage with a diverse community of believers who are united around Christ. <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/transforming-community\/haven\/\">Learn more about dates and how to apply!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Alumni:<\/strong> the <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.podia.com\/alumni-membership-community\">Alumni Membership Community<\/a> is here! For Transforming Community Alumni who are still cultivating rhythms that allow them to flourish in their life and leadership, you have the opportunity to stay on the journey with TC alums through a membership community! This exclusive membership is a safe place to be honest about the challenges of spiritual leadership, to remember the teachings and practices that open us up to God, and to be supported by an ongoing community that sustains us in the hope and the mystery of God&#8217;s transforming work in the world \u2014 starting with us! Membership window is open March 12-28, 2025. <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.podia.com\/alumni-membership-community\">Join today!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Support the podcast!<\/strong> This season patrons will receive special bonus episodes with each guest, exploring different practices associated with Lent, such as solitude, self-examination, confession, and more. Become a patron today by visiting <a href=\"https:\/\/patreon.com\/transformingcenter\">our Patreon page<\/a>!<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/\">Transforming Center<\/a> exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/tc\">Transforming Community<\/a>:\u00ae A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.\u00a0 Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/transforming-community\/\">HERE<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"copywrite\">*this post contains affiliate links<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, Ruth and special guest Reverend Dr. Prince Rivers discuss the second chapter of Selina Stone\u2019s book, Tarry Awhile. 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