{"id":16090,"date":"2022-07-20T11:12:14","date_gmt":"2022-07-20T16:12:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/?p=16090"},"modified":"2022-07-27T13:26:55","modified_gmt":"2022-07-27T18:26:55","slug":"is-this-all-there-is-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/2022\/07\/is-this-all-there-is-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Is This All There Is?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Dear Church,<\/p>\n

First of all: Thank you. Thank you for the gift of life. I grew up in you as an infant in its mother\u2019s womb, and it was a gentle, nurturing place to begin.<\/p>\n

Thank you for every Sunday School, Children\u2019s Church, Pioneer\u2019s Club, Awana, Youth Group, Father-Son Banquet, Sunrise Service, Camp Meeting, Men\u2019s Retreat, Missions Trip, Winter Retreat, and Summer Camp I ever went to. Thank you for that guy who prayed with me at Lost Lake, after the bonfire, when I prayed to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior somewhere around 1985. He was really nice, and that was a turning point in my life.<\/p>\n

Thanks for great men like Randy, Bob, Matt, Steve, Stacey, and Allen, who spent time with me, talked with me about Jesus, made me laugh, and taught me about the Bible. I still think of some of them as big brothers and second fathers, and I wouldn\u2019t be who I am without them.<\/p>\n

Speaking of Fathers, thanks for my own dad. He\u2019s not perfect, but he\u2019s about as good as they get. Thank you for teaching us about humility, and how to have good families and relationships and marriages. And for teaching us that discipline is important, and forgiveness, and grace. You know that time my dad and I were at A&W, and my ice cream fell off the cone onto the ground, and he gave me his to eat while he cleaned up mine off the floor? That pretty much sums up his servant\u2019s heart.<\/p>\n

Thanks also for great teachers like Mike, who taught us how the world worked in light of biblical truth. And who was adamant about taking God at his word, as if it were all true, spiritual gifts and healings and demons and all. That kind of screwed me up, but I\u2019ll get back to this later.<\/p>\n

Thanks also for Matt, who let me serve with him when he started a church. He also kind of screwed me up, because he also took God at his word. He worshiped a lot, prayed all night, and tried hard to follow the Spirit in everything.<\/p>\n

After that, you encircled us with lots of friends at a different fellowship. You let me lead not just Bible studies, but Deacons; you even let me preach a few times. I got to serve homeless youth, fix the building, redesign the website and write doctrinal statements. It was great. Thankfully I stopped at a certain point, and afterward discovered just how burnt out I was. It took me three years before I even wanted to speak up at a Bible study, let alone serve in any way. I was exhausted.<\/p>\n

I was also wrestling with some deep doctrinal questions, questions that the Bible didn\u2019t seem to answer very clearly. I quit reading theology books, because I discovered they often weren\u2019t honest about this problem. Having heard people argue their positions on many issues for several years, I was pretty tired.<\/p>\n

And then there was that time when I thought God led me into that situation in which I lost a boat-load of money\u2013to a Christian. And that time where I fasted and prayed about the thing I thought God wanted to do, but he didn\u2019t do it. After that, I didn\u2019t know what to do any more. I didn\u2019t know what to believe. And I didn\u2019t know who to ask about it. Sermons never helped.<\/p>\n

Thank you, though, for singing. Thank you for making at least a few minutes each week in which I can actually concentrate on God, get my bearings, let go of the anxiety, and remember, and rest. Whew. Thanks. I wish there were more of this.<\/p>\n

I wish there were more of a lot of things, but mostly, I wish there were more opportunities to encounter God. I also wish there were more people ahead of me on the path. After 40 years of sermons and studies, I don\u2019t really need any more of them; I can\u2019t even hear them any more. What I really need are spiritually deep mentors. Not merely theologically deep, but spiritually deep; there seems to be a difference.<\/p>\n

Recently, this all made more sense when I read this passage from R. Thomas Ashbrook\u2019s book, Mansions of the Heart<\/em>:<\/p>\n

I realized that if we took much of our discipleship teaching literally, we could well believe that the Christian life is simply about conversion, biblical knowledge, morals, witnessing to one\u2019s faith, and, for a few, work on a church committee. The implication is that once these basics are under control, life will fall into place and all will go well.<\/em><\/p>\n

But what I saw with my colleagues and parishioners was that \u201creality\u201d eventually hit. The spiritual journey is just not that simple; life often gets more difficult, not simpler, and is seldom under control. This shallow view of the Christian life is finally pretty boring, and our experience is often filled with all sorts of trial and pain. I saw that many people with this simplistic understanding eventually become disillusioned and leave their church. Others become critical of their pastors and church programs, because they are not \u201cgetting fed.\u201d A few search for a more meaningful relationship with Jesus. But what is that more meaningful relationship, and how do you and I find it?<\/em><\/p>\n

That was a clear description of my experience with you, Church. It was also an accurate description of me: I was bored. I wanted more, but I didn\u2019t know where to go to find it.<\/p>\n

A decade or two ago, my teacher\/friends Mike and Matt helped me grow in taking God at his word, talking with him, using my spiritual gifts, expecting more out of God. They screwed me up precisely because of this belief that there has to be something more to Christianity than just Bible studies and church cleanup days. Somehow, I\u2019ve found myself in a desert for the past few years, looking for another Matt or Mike who can help me through this muddle. They seem to be in really short supply. I don\u2019t understand why.<\/p>\n

Yesterday I was at a Men\u2019s Breakfast, and we were discussing the theology of the Trinity. Much was said about the Bible\u2019s description of God 4000 years ago, and 2000 years ago. But nothing was said about what God was doing today, if anything at all.<\/p>\n

And here\u2019s the crux of the problem, Church: If he exists, I want to know what God is doing today. Not what people are doing in the Church\u2019s name, or God\u2019s. I need help knowing a living and active God. I don\u2019t need to know anything more about him. I\u2019ve read my Bible so many times I can\u2019t even hear it any more. I\u2019ve heard so many sermons, I can\u2019t hear them anymore either. I want to know that God isn\u2019t just \u201crelevant\u201d to the world today, but that he is active in it. More than that, though, I want to be in love with him. I want to talk with Him, not at him. I want something supernatural. I want life abundant.<\/p>\n

I need leaders who actually deeply experience God, who deeply know him, not just about him, so that they can help me deeply know him too.<\/p>\n

Can you help me with this?<\/p>\n

Let me know what you think.<\/p>\n

Thank you again,<\/p>\n

Fritz Liedtke
\nJuly 2013<\/p>\n

\u00ae Fritz Liedtke, 2013. Used with permission.<\/p>\n

\n

A pastor\u2019s response…<\/h2>\n
\"David

Transforming Center Ambassador and Resident Theologian<\/p><\/div>\n

As a former church pastor for over three decades, this article still touches me in a very tender place (as it did when I first read it in 2013) because for much of my ministry I struggled to provide the kind of\u00a0spiritual leadership Fritz Liedtke needed, produced by a soul freshly intimate with God.

Sadly, experience tells me I am not alone. Many church leaders long for that deeper knowing of God their parishioners are searching for. But surprisingly, leaders don\u2019t\u00a0always know where to turn for that deeper knowing. For almost 20 years the Transforming Center has guided Christian leaders into a deeper experience of God so they can provide spiritual leadership for the Liedtkes of\u00a0their congregations and ministries.<\/p>\n

The Transforming Community<\/em><\/a> experience is one of the longest running spiritual formation experiences designed for pastors and spiritual leaders. Each retreat is led by Ruth\u00a0Haley Barton, a trained spiritual director and a seasoned retreat leader. For over 20 years, Ruth has been a student<\/em>, a practitioner<\/em>, a teacher<\/em>, and a<\/em>n authority<\/i>\u00a0in the area of Christian\u00a0spiritual formation and spiritual leadership, and she has authored many books on spiritual transformation and leadership.<\/p>\n

If you find yourself asking whether or not it\u2019s possible to lead and serve the church without losing your soul, we invite you to begin a new leadership journey and apply to join the next Transforming Community<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Start a new leadership journey<\/a><\/p>\n

A Transforming Community \u00ae is a group of pastors\u00a0and Christian leaders who commit themselves to\u00a0nine quarterly retreats over twenty-seven months for\u00a0the purpose of experiencing deeper levels of spiritual\u00a0transformation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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