{"id":12811,"date":"2020-05-19T17:27:51","date_gmt":"2020-05-19T22:27:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/?p=12811"},"modified":"2020-05-19T17:28:35","modified_gmt":"2020-05-19T22:28:35","slug":"season-9-episode-9-spiritual-transformation-and-psychology","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/2020\/05\/season-9-episode-9-spiritual-transformation-and-psychology\/","title":{"rendered":"Season 9: Episode 9 | Spiritual Transformation and Psychology"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What happens when you record a podcast and the lawn service is working very hard outside your window? Find out on today\u2019s podcast! We will also discuss the integration of psychology and spirituality \u2013 an important topic for spiritual leaders. Leaders can fall into the trap of over spiritualizing in order to avoid doing the hard psychological work of facing real brokenness. Ruth invites her friend Bob Watson, a licensed clinical psychologist, for a fascinating discussion. As part of their own self leadership leaders need to not just look at the spiritual aspects of their lives, but also attend to their mental health. Control, pain, drivenness, and shame are just some of the topics covered. The episode concludes with helpful guidance on how a leader can know when the thing that we are dealing with should be attended to psychologically with therapy&#8211;as part of their journey towards wholeness in Christ.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Robert Watson, PsyD, LP holds an M.A. in Clinical Psychology from Wheaton College and a Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology from the Illinois School of Professional Psychology. Bob is licensed as a clinical psychologist in the states of Michigan and Illinois. Bob considers himself privileged to play a part in healing the \u201cnoble wounds\u201d of those in ministry, and serves as the director of counseling at Alongside, a Christian retreat center offering professional counseling and shared community designed to help leaders and their families emerge from burnout or breakdown . Learn more <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alongsidecares.net\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Alongside by visiting their site<\/a>. In addition, Bob maintains a counseling practice in Hoffman Estates, IL.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"button\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/strengthening-soul-your-leadership-ruth-haley-barton\/id1214483830\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES<\/a><\/p>\n<p>You can also access podcast on <a href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Iugwwuq5kmhfft5aadsbvtksage?t=Strengthening_the_Soul_of_Your_Leadership_with_Ruth_Haley_Barton\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google Play<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/ruth-haley-barton\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership?refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stitcher<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Season 9: Episode 9 | Spiritual Transformation and Psychology\" height=\"122\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/media\/player\/zi4f7-dc76a3?from=yiiadmin&#038;download=1&#038;version=1&#038;skin=1&#038;btn-skin=107&#038;auto=0&#038;share=1&#038;fonts=Helvetica&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;pbad=1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"button outline\" href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership-podcast\/season-nine\/\">Listen to other episodes from Season 9<\/a> <a class=\"button-secondary outline\" href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/strengthening-the-soul-of-your-leadership-podcast\/\">Access past podcast seasons<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Mentioned in this podcast:<br \/>\n<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/resources.transformingcenter.org\/collections\/books\/products\/invitation-to-a-journey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Invitation to a Journey: A Road Map for Spiritual Formation<\/a>, Robert Mulholland<br \/>\n<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Divine-Conspiracy-Rediscovering-Hidden-Life\/dp\/0060693339\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Divine Conspiracy<\/a><\/em>, Dallas Willard<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Awakened-Heart-Gerald-G-May-ebook\/dp\/B0020Q3FT0\/ref=sxts_entity_rec_bsx_s_def_r00_t_aufl?crid=3EXKWORYEPWL5&amp;cv_ct_cx=gerald+may+books&amp;dchild=1&amp;keywords=gerald+may+books&amp;pd_rd_i=B0020Q3FT0&amp;pd_rd_r=5f84af03-8dea-4340-86f5-4cd264571538&amp;pd_rd_w=5xzmn&amp;pd_rd_wg=Ai2Rt&amp;pf_rd_p=0f41c625-ccbb-47b0-b567-a56343533778&amp;pf_rd_r=J0VWYBBW46DK6PXEHY9E&amp;qid=1589904167&amp;sprefix=Gerald+May%2Caps%2C175&amp;sr=1-4-50be07be-ed51-4b0f-8f11-b1fc0824f1e6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Awakened Heart: Opening Yourself to the Love You Need<\/a>, Gerald G. May M.D.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Will-Spirit-Contemplative-Gerald-May-ebook\/dp\/B0020Q3FJU\/ref=sxts_entity_rec_bsx_s_def_r00_t_aufl?crid=3EXKWORYEPWL5&amp;cv_ct_cx=gerald+may+books&amp;dchild=1&amp;keywords=gerald+may+books&amp;pd_rd_i=B0020Q3FJU&amp;pd_rd_r=5f84af03-8dea-4340-86f5-4cd264571538&amp;pd_rd_w=5xzmn&amp;pd_rd_wg=Ai2Rt&amp;pf_rd_p=0f41c625-ccbb-47b0-b567-a56343533778&amp;pf_rd_r=J0VWYBBW46DK6PXEHY9E&amp;qid=1589904167&amp;sprefix=Gerald+May%2Caps%2C175&amp;sr=1-3-50be07be-ed51-4b0f-8f11-b1fc0824f1e6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Will and Spirit: A Contemplative Psychology<\/a> Gerald G. May M.D.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Exploring Further:<\/strong><b><br \/>\n<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/transforming-community\/\"><em>Transforming Community<\/em><\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ruthhaleybarton.com\/\">Ruth Haley Barton<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Become a patron:<\/strong> Join a growing movement of transforming leaders. We\u2019ve received fantastic feedback about the podcast, and we would like to create even more episodes. We need you! <a href=\"https:\/\/transformingcenter.org\/patron\/\">Become a patron during Lent and receive our <em>Lent: A Season of Returning<\/em><\/a>!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Music Credit:<br \/>\n<\/strong><b><\/b><em>New Way to Live<\/em> written by Joel Hanson. <em>I am New<\/em> written by Joel Hanson and Jason Gray.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What happens when you record a podcast and the lawn service is working very hard outside your window? Find out on today\u2019s podcast! 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